romans 14 clears up everything on what we are allowed to eat....
Excellent question. First, can you answer a few questions if you don't mind? Do you wish to follow Torah and do you fellowship or plan on fellowshipping with Torah Observers? If so, the answer to all questions is simply, no. Please do not eat it, don't give it away, and don't save it. And here is why. G-d makes it very clear in Leviticus 11 what to eat and what not to eat. Romans 14 that wally is referring to has an historical context that must be addressed to understand it clearly. In Biblical times and even now there is a sec of Jewish people who vehemently believe that G-d did not want His people to eat meat at all. Yes, Vehement Vegans have been around for-EVER. lol This sec. believed that after the flood G-d only gave people permission to eat meat (Genesis 9:3) to curve their brutish and sinful nature until they come to a more "enlightened era". So, in Romans 14 Paul is addressing this sec of Jews. Who thought they were more enlightened and more pure then other believers because they didn't eat meat. Their flaw in this ideology is when G-d gives The Law some hundreds of years later after the flood, He specifically gives The Dietary Law in Leviticus 11 that permits the eating of meat and what kind can be eaten. In Romans, Paul also addresses the importance of not eating or drinking things that would cause a brother or sister to fall away from G-d. This is why I say giving it away or bartering it could cause great harm to you or a fellow believer in the wrong circumstance. Hunger can tempt people to do things they wouldn't normally do, and to tempt yourself, or another with a clear unclean choice of food is not good. Nor would it be loving to do so. It would be like knowing your neighbor was a recovering alcoholic and when the STHF you try to barter a bottle of vodka for some eggs. Of course you wouldn't do such a selfish thing. And that is the thinking Paul is addressing in Romans 14. Now, I too, am not made of money but this should never be used as a justification to compromise our morals or values. Choosing to live according to His perfect Law, we live by faith that G-d keeps His promises, and rewards those who follow His Ways. And Yeshua (Jesus) too was of modest means, yet did not eat unclean, or live outside The Law. I could say so much more, but... I hope I answered your question clearly. May G-d bless you and guide you in your faith. Never be afraid to ask questions. That is how we grow and goodness knows I learn something new every day. Shalom My friend
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. it really doesn't matter what you eat or don't eat as long as you give thanks for what you have received....
I would love to have a honest discuss with you on this subject if you are open to it. I would like to hear your interpretation, in context of the Holy Scriptures in regards to eating.
@Earl's Daughter [ED] what was laid out in the OT was for the jews and was never meant for gentiles going back to ceremonial law just puts us back in bondage to the law rather than Christ.
I agree with the statement on ceremonial law. For one, sacrifices and the like are done away with. But, how do you explain eating things as a believer knowing it was forbidden by God? If the Law is done away with and we can do as we please then how to you explain Ezekiel and Jeremiah's prophecy of the New covenant, where the Lord said, I will make the house of Israel after those days declares the Lord, I will put my law within them and I will write it on their hearts and I will be their God and they shall be my people. Paul also repeated this prophecy in Hebrews 8:12 and again repeated in Hebrews 10:16. Are we not led by the spirit to live, eat and love according as God's commands? Is God not the same today, tomorrow, and forever?
Rom_6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom_7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.
Romans 3:29-31 NIV
at first glance it may seem in that verse that we are to uphold the law but that then means we are to go back to the ceremonial law and sacrificing of animals and such
sand it makes no distinction as to what part of the law to uphold. so thats not what it means. i will agree that that is a mysterious verse cause romans 6 and romans 7 clearly indicate the opposite of romans 3.
Sorry I'm just getting back to you. Been super busy, kids, work and all. Ok, so I get what you are seeing in scripture, but I think you are missing the point. We are not under the Law per se, we are living it out. So, its like we have laws in our country we abide by in order to not go to jail. Some follow the law to avoid judgement or incarceration, others follow it because its the right thing to do. By nature or upbringing they just follow the law. The 2 are not the same. The one who simply follows the law to avoid judgement does it out of subjugation, the second follows the law because they know it is the right thing to do. They don't steal because the law says not to, they do it because everything in them knows it is wrong to do so. This is what Paul was trying to teach. This also goes along with why he said in 1 Corinthians 13:2 "If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." Salvation is not just a free pass to forgiveness, but a changing of our heart, mind and soul, to be reborn. And that rebirth places His Law on our heart, & mind. We become anew. Where faith, hope and love are our foundation. And the greatest of these is love. If I'm not wrong you are under the impression that Jesus lived a perfect sinless life under The Law, died an horrific death, 3 days later rose again so we as believers can simply do as we please? Jesus also said very plainly, in Matt 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Jesus also said in the next verse that; For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
So I ask, has heaven and earth disappear? Also, everything has not been accomplished. Revelation tells us in chapter 20 what must happen for the heaven & earth to disappear and chapter 21 tells about the new earth and new heaven. Jesus didn't come to do away with The Law, but to show us how to live it out. And by his death, and resurrection we now have God's grace, that when we do fall short of living out The Law (His Commandments) we can ask for God's forgiveness in Jesus' name and receive it (instead of, for example:burning a lamb for sacrifice). I apologize for the lengthy explanation. I hope I'm making the point clear and would love to hear your input. Shalom
i think we have gone as far as we can go on this subject nothing you have posted says anything about observing dietary law or ceremonial law or even moral law
we may be both not hearing each other and circling back to the same arguments.
I agree that the canned ham meat should be thrown out. If you need financial help and are having a hard time with throwing it out, I would love to talk and see where I might be able to help.